Dare to un-lead: The art of relational leadership

March 2, 2022 Updated: March 31, 2025

“I feel we need to understand that there’s a whole collective dimension in leadership, not in what leadership produces but in what leadership is.” 

Céline Schillinger, Founder and CEO at We Need Social

In this Nature of Work podcast, award-winning French entrepreneur, Céline Schillinger, talks with hosts, Paul Miller and Shimrit Janes, about her upcoming book Dare to Un-Lead: The art of relational leadership in a fragmented world

Proposing that there is an entirely different way to lead today’s organizations, the group together uncover how connections, living systems and the spaces in between, can create fresh opportunities for more collective and transformational leadership. 

Is developing a collective capacity to lead the natural next step, and what part do emotional competencies play in this? How can we challenge the traditional aspects of leadership and the leader as a saviour? And what’s possible through new and unusual conversations grounded in liberty, equality and fraternity?  

The paradox and nature of daring to un-lead is brought to life, with Céline offering her own practical advice for those wanting to start such conversations today. 

Listen to Episode 11: Dare to un-lead: The art of relational leadership

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