Would Mary Poppins raise ethical robots?

Hosted by


Paul Miller
Paul Miller is Chief Creative Officer and Founder of DWG, and has given many inspirational talks on the digital future of work, for Microsoft, IKEA, Google, Accenture and Harvard Business Review, and written three books. His latest book is Nature of Work – The new Story of Work for a Living Age


As a global General Counsel, David Oskandy has led legal teams around the world with top companies including Andersen, Honeywell, Wrigley and Avanade.
Chief Technology Officer Florin Rotar leads the strategic development of a portfolio of solutions and services that position Avanade to be a market maker and category leader, emphasizing their commitment to emerging technology and innovation. He previously led Avanade’s global Modern Workplace business.
Josh is a Graduate Fellow at the EJ Safra Centre for Ethics and the Berkman Klein Centre for Internet and Society at Harvard. He is currently finishing his book, “AI vs. Democracy: How citizens can rule machines”, which outlines how regulation of artificial intelligence and big tech companies can strengthen, rather than undermine, democracy.

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“Finding the right balance between respecting people's privacy, but also potentially using the power of technology to truly help people get better training and ultimately have a more delightful experience at work is a very typical example. And this is not science fiction. It's right here, right now.”

– Florin Rotar, Avanade

As the world, and in particular the workplace, employs more and more artificial intelligence (AI), digital ethics is no longer a nice-to-have but an essential. In 2019, digital ethics was listed as one of the top ten strategic trends by Gartner. From GPS and cameras in the office to behavioural analytics and algorithms, finding the balance between optimizing employees’ potential and respecting their privacy is crucial.

Joining Paul on the podcast this week are three heavyweight minds who specialize in this area: David Oskandy, Former Global Counsel at Avanade; Florin Rotar, Global Modern Workplace Lead at Avanade and co-author of “We, The People: Human Purpose in a Digital Age – A guide to digital ethics for individuals, organizations and robots”; and Josh Simons, graduate fellow at Harvard and author of (soon to be published) “AI vs. Democracy: How citizens can rule machines”.

Follow the conversation as they discuss the connection between morality and power; how technology shapes politics and vice versa; establishing digital workplace principles; oh… and Mary Poppins!

Show notes, links and resources for this episode:
Article: What Mary Poppins can teach us about raising ethical robots, article by David Oskandy for the Financial Times
Report: We, The People: Human Purpose in a Digital Age – A guide to digital ethics for individuals, organizations and robots, by Florin Rotar and Peter Temes
Film: Sorry we missed you, film directed by Ken Loach

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